Tuesday, April 26, 2011

State of the Union

2011 Artistic Gymnastics State Championship dates, as per state association/GA online calendars.

Queensland: June 24-28 (MG/WG)
Victoria: June 10-13 (MG/WG)
New South Wales: May 28-29 (MG/WG)
Western Australia: May 9-11 (MG/WG)
South Australia: June 3-4 (MG/WG)
Tasmania: June 22-26 (MG/WG)

Amendments can be made to incorrect information.

83 comments:

Anonymous said...

WA States are 25 - 27 June.

Anonymous said...

Anyone interested in news from the UK can now get free access to British Gymnastics "Gymnast" magazine. It is an online page turner type arrangement.

Anonymous said...

there are some camp pics on vwhpc facebook. Not a single QAS athlete is there. Are they having money problems again?

Also, has Celeste moved to mbc? Her leo matches theirs.

Mez said...

Anon 11:25 do you REALLY think that money comment was an appropriate comment to make?

Please don't bring that kind of discussion here.

Anonymous said...

No, it is a legitimate issue that they have made public. Last year they appealed through the media as they didn't have enough funding. It's no great secret, if you bothered to do your research you would know that.

Anonymous said...

Hasn't Celeste received a QAS scholarship.. The juniors and younger girls are being looked after up here which is great.

Anonymous said...

? she was not on the list earlier in the year, it would have to be a very recent move.

The Gym Qld site has been down for nearly a week, which is why things seem weird. Why, if not money related, did nobody from QAS go? Surely not every athlete there is that badly injured?

Anonymous said...

good to see that Simpson did the verification, hopefully this means she will get one of the assignments and has recovered from her injuries.

Anonymous said...

who are the 6 little girls in the front row with red leotards on?? (in the april camp photo on vwhpc facebook)

Anonymous said...

SA IDP Girls. No idea what they are doing there.

Anonymous said...

are they not part of the camp?

Anonymous said...

Yes they were part of the camp - there were other there not just the Olypmic Squad

Anonymous said...

SA girls are there because their coaches are giving them the opportunity to learn new skills whilst being surrounded by the senior squads. i take my hat off to the SA coaches for giving them the opportunity. I believe this is why they are so successful at competitions. unlike other clubs who only send a select number of girls.

Why?? Anon: 12:41pm do you think they are not good enough, dont be a gymnastic snob, they all train the same hours they diserve to be there.

Anonymous said...

Omg. I made the comment at 12.41 in response to a question about who the little girls were and I think you may have misunderstood me. I thought this was an Olympic squad camp and given that there are junior national squad members missing I thought the presence of a small number of IDP girls was a bit unusual. No comment about whether they 'deserve' to be there was made. I think it's safe to say that they weren't taking place in the regular camp and verifications or as part of the national squad. I also think the exposure will be a great experience for them so good on SA for making it happen.

Anonymous said...

anyone know who is in the back row, end of line, next to Tierra?

Anonymous said...

I think that's Karena Brooks?

Anonymous said...

pretty sure it's not her - she retired i think

shelley said...

I am glad the SA girls went. With SA being a growing program, they don't get enough exposure to large numbers of seniors in action. A wonderful opportunity.

And, I can't remember her name but the SA girl on the far left is an absolute gun!!!!

Anonymous said...

There were 2 camps simultaniously, sr. & jr. run at different times. Karina & Crystal Yeo made national squad. SA idp girls went with other jr. celeste is at castle hill.

Anonymous said...

so where's Budack/Joura/Wurth/Tarvit/Jones/Boffo?

Anonymous said...

The SASI kids are pretty good and I think its important that the IDP gymnasts have some exposure, as they're a new program.

Celeste is definitely still at Castle Hill, as least she was at the beginning of April when CH last updated their website.

Its so exciting to have such a large squad this year!

Anonymous said...

Karina Brooks is training very good from what I have seen she is working:

VT: Yuchenko 2/1 - 1.5 onto hard

UB: Shap - jaeger - takatchev - double lay 1/1 twist

BB: Ariel to layout - front pike

FX: Double pike and tuck and full in to pit

Definatley someone to watch out for :)

Anonymous said...

mez, you never announced the winners of the AGB awards!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I dont think Karina ever really got credit for how good she was. She has that balance between power and form. Her bars especially had a great swing.

The last time I saw her live was in 2008 at Nationals. Where has she been all this time? I know she's had a few injuries,and am really glad to see her back. Same with Naomi Lee.

If you have any info about the skills of any other girls on the national team, please let us know! I love hearing those snippets more than anything.

tash22 said...

Is there a reason why only 10 of the 23 girls on the junior national team attended this camp? Was it by invite? They were trialling for two comps so I would have thought more would go and compete for the experience.

Froggy said...

Hi all ... way OT, but there's nowhere else I can go. Does anyone know the name of the music that was used for the subbies floor routines around 1990s?? Or a Youtube link to a routine from then? I've searched everywhere, and I'm getting desparate. Thanks in advance :)

Froggy

Anonymous said...

what's a subbie?

Anonymous said...

subjunior,presably?

Anonymous said...

report re: celeste at camp

http://www.chrslgymnastics.com.au/wag/news/

Anonymous said...

Were they still using the same music in 2000? There is youtube footage of Michaela Larsson doing floor with the classical piece I remember from the 90s.

Or you may be able to find it on Poetry in Motion documentary?

Otherwise there is a youtube vid of some tiny tot subbies doing floor to a classical version of 'rich girl' but I'm pretty sure that isn't what you were after

Anonymous said...

The report of Celeste at camp was great. I wish all clubs would do this as it is lovely to hear how all the girls are going not just a selected few.

Anonymous said...

MLC used to do the best ones but then they randomly quit updating their website unfortunately

Anonymous said...

IG mag has an update from Peggy

Anonymous said...

I can't believe she mentioned Exum over Chung and McGrath - Chung especially won meets all over the place in late 2010 and easily won national clubs, beating them all. Tierra is improving but consistently finishes lower than the others because of poor e-scores. Crazy!

Anonymous said...

what about Emily Little? She got no acknowledgment at all! I think her vault should earn her a spot on the team, so long as she hasn't deteriorated since last year.

I dont get Peggy's insistence on Bonora and Brennan - they have been great, but many of the younger girls now have higher d-scores and need a chance to compete. If Bonora will be back again with a double tuck mount and a layout full in her floor routine and a yurchenko full, I would rather give someone like Zoe or Mary-Anne a chance.

Anonymous said...

Froggy, not sure these are early enough?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DvtSpG5Nmg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_ys4P6m-FY&NR=1

If not, email Mark Carlton or track Fiona down maybe??? they are bound to have a video or two stashed away from this ear.

Anonymous said...

Why the hell is Peggy giving her camp analysis to IG before Gymnastics Australia?

Anonymous said...

what about Angela? Girl won a medal at the youth olympics and gets no love.

I get the vibe that GA has stopped bothering to post anything about camps, they haven't in a long time now. Typical lack of concern with promoting the sport.

nade00 said...

After what happened in 2007, I have a feeling Peggy may go with more experienced girls this year, so it does not surprise me.

If it came down to a couple of tenths of difficulty here or there, I just think she would always pick experience over youth. It's such a risk to compete a lot of newcomers in such an important meet, even though I have been impressed with the consistency of the likes of Brown, Donald, Chung and McGrath.

I do hope we don't see veterans picked if they are out of shape and watering down to a great degree though. To get one of those eight olympic berths, it's going to be tough. Japan, Great Britain and Italy are almost certainly in our vicinity, and other teams like France, Brazil, the Netherlands, Canada and especially Germany will expect to rise in the standings this time around. We could very well be pushed out of the eight if we don't compete the highest valued routines we have.

If we are competing yurchenko 1/1s and floor routines valued under 5.4 or so, it's going to be incredibly tight. I'm of the opinion that we really need to go for it and try and up that difficulty, within reason of course. It seems that since the Sydney disaster the strategy has been to hold back in that department which is a shame because the gymnastics is always less exciting.

You might be able to perform a lower valued routine beautifully but as we saw in Rotterdam with Bonora, unfortunately they never really gave much credit for stuck landings, and inevitably, the lower difficulty routines scored lower nine times out of ten. The judges are still afraid of throwing out high execution scores, especially if you're not Chinese, American, Russian or Romanian.

Froggy said...

Thanks Anon 10.27. That will do the job!! Wish I was a better Youtube surfer person

Froggy

Anonymous said...

I don't think the report was about camp, more about 2011 Worlds.

Angela was not mentioned perhaps because she is injured and may not be up for selection this year.
Nothing to do with how good she is.
I am surprised that Little got no mention.

Anonymous said...

I was under the impression Angela would be ok for worlds this year, just maybe not for nationals.

http://www.waverley.gymnastics.org.au/site/gymnastics/waverley/downloads/Feature%20News/Angela%20Donald%20-%20Waverley%20Leader%20-%201%20Mar%202011%20-%20Page%20%208.pdf

Seems she was hoping to restart training earlier this month. Can anyone confirm?

Anonymous said...

You are most welcome Froggy, is not that hard....perhaps an age issue?

he he he he

Anonymous said...

Angela was not at camp. Does anyone know anything about Laurens injury?

Anonymous said...

what has happened to Amelia McGrath lately? I've been catching up on the results from the VWHPC invite and she has seemingly deteriorated since this time last year. Lower start values and far lower e-scores. Is she injured, and if so, why not resting?

Anonymous said...

GA have updated the national squad list to add the new girls but they have spelt both their names wrong. Real classy stuff.

nade00 said...

for anyone interested, on the Pre-Olympic youth cup list the Australian entries are:


134. Eade Alexandra 1998 13 Australien
135. Leydin Madelaine 1997 14 Australien
136. Nedov Emma 1996 15 Australien

Anonymous said...

Great team!

Anonymous said...

Is it a team of three.....or are they individual, are they only taking these three? Is Emma the only 96 junior we have... If yes where have all the others gone as I thought we had about 6 - 8 96 girls.

Anonymous said...

There's 7 girls born in'96 on the National squad.
Ebonie, Stella, Ashleigh, Rachael, Naomi, Kristina and Emma.

Anonymous said...

Lauren got a board in the AIS Honour walk:

http://www.gymnastics.org.au/default.asp?Page=20272

Nice pics of some of the girls

Anonymous said...

How come none of the 96 girls apart from Emma got a gig at the Pre-olympic cup? I would of thought the 96 girls would have been the priority at this stage

Anonymous said...

What is the next senior consignment? And when is it?

Anonymous said...

The girls had to verify for this comp. I assume the selction was based on results

Anonymous said...

Selection was based on results, obviously. There weren't THAT many juniors at camp, if these three are the three best then they should be allowed to go.

Obviously the other 96 girls weren't ready or Peggy would have sent them, I'm sure she's aware that they're Olympic age-eligible and, therefore, may need international experience.

Anonymous said...

97 & 98 girls aren't Olympic eligible until 2016!Surely some other juniors would need the experience now and if there isn't any ready or not injured the reason should be addressed.

Anonymous said...

We have a bevy of seniors to choose from this year and will have many many for the Olympics next year. Maybe this is Peggy saying that she's satisfied with the crop she has for London?

Out of the 1996 juniors mentioned above only Ebonie and Naomi were at camp and missed out. What if they opted out because they aren't ready? Why should Maddi and Alex be denied the opportunity to represent their country NOW when they're A) the best (by placing highly at selection) and B) age-eligible for THIS competition?

Anonymous said...

Going by the camp pics and what we already know, out of the 1996 girls, Emma, Naomi and Stella were the only 3 who could have competed full verification, and we don't even know if they did. Most of the girls on the 1996 list didn't even attend camp.

Also, this is an Australian team assignment so just because Eade and Leydin are younger it shouldn't preclude them from earning their first Australian leo. It should be based on merit in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Ebonie didn't do verification due to injury

Anonymous said...

Maybe at the moment the main focus should be on having a fit, healthy and competitive Worlds team!!!!!!! I think Peggy should be focusing on the 2012 for International experience. The 2016 will have plenty of opportunities in years to come..... and Worlds is only months away!!!!! and if we don't make it there this sport may be going on a big decline.

Anonymous said...

But 1996 girls can't go to worlds anyway! You're making no sense...

Gymnasts that apply to be selected at internationals, at which they're age-eligible should be selected on merit. The best gymnasts shouldn't be denied an Australian Tracksuit because someone who isn't as ready is a year older.


I'm sure Peggy actually knows what she is doing.. she has been choosing these teams for years

Anonymous said...

Agree, worlds should be the focus.

Anonymous said...

Do we know which seniors were selected to attend the Slovakia meet?

Anonymous said...

So all the juniors should sit on their hands until after worlds?

Where is the harm in the juniors competing o/s while the seniors stay home and train/upgrade for worlds? It gives Nedov experience so she can be more confident in aiming to represent at the Olympics and gives the other two gymnasts an assignment to look forward to seeing as their olympic aspirations can't be acheived until 2016?

Everyone always complains that our juniors aren't good enoough then two young ones step up and are do enough to beat out the 1996 girls to get an international assignment and people say that's not right... pff

Anonymous said...

I don't think any 96 girls did verification by the sounds of it apart from Nedov. Well done to the other two girls I hope they enjoy it. Do they only take three? Where does Leydin come from?

Anonymous said...

that could also be that the 1996 girls just aren't that good - on the whole, that cohort is weak.

Anonymous said...

Leydin is vwhpc - great presentation, 2 double saltos on floor, also good on beam.

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150392901950577

Anonymous said...

so seems Maryanne is out again. Withdrawn from trials for nationals.

Anonymous said...

Anon 12:42
Very inappropriate, are you stating they are wasting their time.

Anonymous said...

Yeh 12.57, maybe they need the experience!

Anonymous said...

About time we saw girls traveling because of their results and not just because of their Olympic Cycle.
I agree Peggy has probably narrowed down her field for 2012. She already has a great crop of 2012 girls to choose from. There is plenty of room already in this group to allow for injuries.
If a girl is not going to make it why should she be given priorty just because she happens to be older.
Other countries are already getting their next cycle girls out there. We need to start doing the same thing if we want to remain competitive on the world stage. I agree that these next cycle girls should only be given the opportunity if they are seriously competitive with existing 2012 girls.

Anonymous said...

yeh, it is sort of getting to the stage now where you can see whether or not their programs will be developed enough to seriously contend. There is room for about 3 strong teams from the existing crop of seniors. I think Nedov is the only one with a legit shot, unless one of them comes up with a miraculous amanar or bar set over 6.0.

Anonymous said...

Well including the 1996 girls listed above there are 35 contenders for London! 35!! And the team can only have 5 competitors right? If I was on the cusp I would be working hard on Bars and Vault...

Anonymous said...

If i was on the cusp I would be playing to my strengths more than anything. If I was Amelia McG, I would do away with bars and focus on super high valued routines on beam and floor. If I was Larrissa Miller, I would forget beam and work the other three, focusing on getting a huge routine on bars.

The bottom line is, there are a lot of good routines on offer, but not a lot of great ones. A specialist who can add 1.0 or more to the team total is not going to be turned down. If you can only offer good routines, chances are you can be replaced by someone else fairly easily given the depth we have.

Anonymous said...

I would say vault would need to be 5.8+, bars 5.8+, beam 5.8+ and floor 5.6+ to be considered great/as a specialist.

Anonymous said...

Bars should be 6.0+, Larissa was 15th at worlds last year with a 6.2 start!

And 5.8 for vault is a DTY and we already have Lauren and Emily doing those on all around. A 'specialist' for vault would have to have an Amanar and another half decent, prelims worthy apparatus.

Don't forget you only take 5 to the olympics.. less room for a 'specialist' who isn't freaking amazing.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know any details of the Comp in Slovakia? I can't see it on the International Calander.What sort of comp is it, Team, AA ect? Is it for Senior or Junior?

Anonymous said...

The FIG website says it is Senior and Junior. Interestingly, australia is not listed as an invited country. There is AUT but I'm pretty sure that is Austria. There is no website so that's pretty much all the info there is at the moment.

Anonymous said...

Does the ACT have State (or Territory in this case) titles?

Anonymous said...

Yes, ACT has state titles. The website seems to be completely out of date though

Anonymous said...

Yes, ACT has state titles. The website seems to be completely out of date though

Anonymous said...

ACT State titles is 4/5 June according to SCGC website

Anonymous said...

Pretty sure Georgia Simpson was going to Slovakia

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