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* ARTICLE: The Couch Gymnast's IDP6 report
* ARTICLE: The Couch Gymnast IDP10 Day One report
Saturday, May 19, 2012
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So who are the top chances to take out Idp 10, 8,6
I see some girls are in their 2nd and third years in the same level could change things given their difficulties might be through the roof . Makes it hard for those who've just moved up!
Idp 6 Emmi Watterson Qld
IDP 8 Emily Whitehead(VIC) or Alysha Koloi (QLD)
IDP 10 Eliza Freeman(VIC) ot Rianna Mizzen (QLD)
IDP 6 gymnasts should not need 2 years to get to IDP 8 unless they are exceptionally young and need time to develop. If gymnasts need to do 2 years at IDP 6 then they are going to struggle even more in the higher levels.
Go the MLC girls Gules, Maddy & Kita!
Is there a link to the work plan anywhere? I can't seem to find it.
Some of the Wais girls are in their 2nd and 3rd years of IDP 8 so their difficulties are quite high
Can someone please explain to me why someone might do a third year of a level? I can understand a second year, if they went up a level just before nationals, for example, and then are still going on the same level when the next nationals comes around again. But why would you need 3 years? Could it be due to injury? If it is taking 3 years to master the skills, then perhaps IDP is not the right stream? Just trying to understand. Thanks.
Some of those WAIS kids are very weak on vault.
going on the lead up to Nationals results their beam and bar difficulties seem to be quite high and these seem to be girls who are in their 3rd time at IDP8 why did they not move up to 10 if they can do such high difficulties? Was it due to previous injury?
Perhaps they don't meet the minimum age of the level above?
For example, Alexandra Eade will be an International Junior for far longer than any of her contemperaries because she started in the division far younger, and cannot progress to senior until she is turning 16.
No I think you'll find they are at the top end of IDP 8 13 years so they will have less time to do IDP 10 then junior and so on .... age is definitely not the reason they are staying back...maybe Wais wants a champion and getting older girls with experience in that level to compete might just secure it for them.
who won the team competition?
What are the minimum ages for idp levels and junior international?
Victoria
Is team 2 days added together?
Does anyone know who is came first for today in the IDP 6 comp?
Results will come up here but I don't know how long that will take. In the meantime, was anyone there and can actually tell us? Please? :-)
Ah, the link in the previous post didn't come through. That would be: (trying again)
www.gymnastics.org.au/?ID=24140
Regarding comment at 12.39, and as to why it may take 3 years in one level.
I work in an IDP club. I've seen lots of gymnasts - some with mega talent, some just 'meh' for IDP standards. I've seen lots of things happen with both "Stages" (the former name for the elite stream) and IDP (current elite stream program).
Kids taking three years in a level - sometimes, kids will be held behind by just one apparatus. It most likely will be bars (oh, the difficulty of IDP 6 bars!), or flipping a vault to feet. I've seen kids reach a mental block - e.g. two flics on beam. Are these kids suddenly unsuitable for IDP? Well, no. They're just normal kids who have hit a giant obstacle, probably for the first time. That's absolutely normal for gymnastics.
I've also seen gymnasts lose 6 months to a year of skill deveopment through injury. They get injured before/after comp, spend the off season recuperating, and then end up working routines to be competition ready for the next comp season. Obviously that's a very generalised scenario, but it's important to realise that injury does impact a gymnast's skill development.
The results are on the couch mnast
The results are on the couch gymnast sorry
1st AA Emmi Watterson from Qld
none of the wais girls are in their 3rd year...
What's the go with the IDP 6 comp it looks like from that photo(a great photo by the way) that they are in a little gym?? Not an Arena?? The people watching look like they are next to the beam.
Yeah strange.
Thank you to 8:37. Very helpful explanation thanks.
It looks like a photo taken of a relevant competitor from a Victorian event?
While it would be nice to have a photo from the event it is nice to have some information (hint hint GA) this seems to be fairly common in online journalism.
Team event is based on two day scores combined
If u look up the names from WAIS idp8 three of the girls competed 2.5 years ago at National clubs so no not a full 3 years but seems like a long time in the one level?
Perhaps they leave their gymnasts in one level for that long to help them develop the basics and techniques required to perform strong routines at the next level. i.e. Their coaches obviously dont think they are ready to move up. I know a lot of clubs will move their kids up for the second half of the year, for national clubs etc so they can have a feel of that level before they compete trials and nationals next year. Some of the levels requires a huge jump - IDP 8 to 10 especially on bars with now using the uneven bars
Go girls from QLD and mbc!! Goodluck to Georgia Godwin, Amaya KingKoi and Alysha Koloi! And congratulations to Emi Watterson for winning the all around!
Paige James from WAIS just won IDP8
who came 2nd and 3rd?
Brook Callcott came 2nd overall (go wais girls)
Paige James did IDP 6 last year at Nationals, looks like her first year at Nationals was 2011
Paige James did IDP 8 at National clubs 2011 she is in the results so she has done it a while and Brook Callcott this is her 2nd year so well done to the WAIS girls but the experience of having performed IDP 8 longer therfore their difficulty was higher on day 2 and being older saw them through ...
Older than who? Paige would be one of the younger girls there I would have thought. WAIS have a talented 2016 group and it seems that the rest of the country has only just noticed. Brooke hasn't competed IDP 8 at nationals before and only did one nationals at IDP 6. Lots of gymnasts try out their routines at national clubs so the fact that someone has competed a couple of apparatus there in the past doesn't really mean a thing about how experienced they are in the level or whether they are ready to move to the next level. There were some gymnasts in their 2nd year at 8 - nikita and demetria competed for SA last year at 8 and Darcy competed but not AA. It is not unusual to repeat a level and rarely do programs do it " to have a champion". What the poster who is suggesting that it is hard on the girls who have just moved into the level to be competing against girls more experienced and with bigger skills seems to be missing is this; very soon they will all be competing together - first as juniors and then seniors and difficulty will be what separates them. So those who have been at gyms focussing on routines and cleaning up in IDP 5 & 6 are going to be behind in the skill development area. It looks to me that WA has been showing up at nationals for years with very few medal wins while they have been quietly building skills for the future. QLD for some reason seems to have been able to build skills and clean up in the medals.
Well done to all the girls in Idp 8 they were all amazing ! Their is a strong group of girls coming through not just from WAIS but all around the country and it will be great to see how they develop lots of girls had difficulties some more ready than others , some coaches being more tentative and not putting big difficulties in comp routines even though gymnasts might be able to perform them at training , their were younger competitors and older ones in the level but it is true eventually they will all be in the same pool looking for a spot at an Olympic team it won't matter how many times they did a level eventually it all evens out so don't stress all these girls were awesome it really just came down go who was better prepared on the day and this time it was Wais's turn next time who knows they were all good !
Agreed! It was the best IDP 8 group I've seen for a while. Heaps of talent there from all over!
My mistake thought Paige James was 13/14 misinformed wondered why she didn't do Idp 10 given the age but I stand corrected just would have liked to see another state win other than WAIS And Qld as programs are bring shut down for IDP across the country it makes the pressure of producing a champion even more important also agree with above everyone was outstanding !
Alysha Koloi from Qld is only 10 turning 11.
How old are the other IDP 8's?
Turning 12 and turning 13. I don't know if there would be any others turning 11 this year (born 01). That is very young to be doing IDP 8 - especially as well as she does.
Yeah there are very young girls working IDP 5 and 6 at the QAS. We had Qld State training at their gym yesterday and their was a couple of super talented 8 year olds. Amazing.
Yes I agree. I know that one of the girls, Eden Tarvit that just competed Junior international is only turning 13 this year. She hasn't had an awesome comp but hopefully she will show her talent at apparatus finals. She is a powerful gymnast who needs to get her confidence up. Good luck in the next comp Eden.
Which girls will compete in apparatus finals for junior and senior tomorrow?
I thought nearlynall of the juniors would be in it because there is only 10 in it I think.
will most of the IDP 8 girls be age-eligible for 2016? Would love to see some young ones on an olympic team.
Definitely most. As someone has already pointed out - Alysha Koloi is turning 11 so eligible for 2020. All the WAIS team are 2016 as are Dimetria Andrellos and Kayleigh falconer - not sure about the Victorian girls.
S0 very impressed with all the IDP girls. They blew me away with their wonderful skills, presentation and polish. Great job kids!! The future of gymnastics in this country is in good hands!
Charlotte Quirk is also 2001 eligable for 2020 same as Alysha Koloi the other victorian girls are age eligable for 2016 who competed in IDP 8
Thanks for the VIC update - what a talented bunch of girls (2012 IDP 8). Let's hope they all stay healthy and reach their potential!
Best of luck to the level 7's about to start their first day of competition. GO WA!! Anyone able to provide updates - much appreciated.
WA National Level 7 win National Championships....is this a first?
WA has come to town!!!
A question...is it 'easier' for a girl with natural flexibility to gain strength, or a girl with natural strength to gain flexibilty?
I think flex is "easier" if more painfull! Strength is not too hard but "power" is very difficult to improve. The way gymnastics is at the moment it favours power over flex.
I didn't think about strength versus power - good point. So is power more to do with fast-twitch muscle then, and therefore can't be 'learned'?
Pretty much, yes.
Okay, thanks heaps for your feedback. Really appreciate it!
It actually can be improved - but it is the biggest area where natural attributes are important. From what I understand, you can't change the proportion of fast/slow twith muscle but you can "switch" the fast twitch on with training. I read an interview with Nastia Luiken where she talks about how she has to do a lot of "strength training" - a lot of this would be "power" training. Sprints, timed rope climbs, timed anything really, jumps all work power.
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